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		<title>By: CCK08 revisited &#171; Jenny Connected</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCK08 revisited &#171; Jenny Connected</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 20:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have recently (with a colleague) submitted a research paper which highlights how difficult it is for participants to learn effectively in a course which simulates an experience rather than offer the ‘true’ experience. I think this was also the case in CCK08 and I blogged about it at the time. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have recently (with a colleague) submitted a research paper which highlights how difficult it is for participants to learn effectively in a course which simulates an experience rather than offer the ‘true’ experience. I think this was also the case in CCK08 and I blogged about it at the time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: konzeptblog &#187; Halbzeit bei CCKO08</title>
		<link>http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/is-this-a-course-or-something-else/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>konzeptblog &#187; Halbzeit bei CCKO08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sind schon erschlagend). Jenny Mackness hat das treffend auf den Punkt gebracht mit der Frage Is this a course or something else?: Overall comment: I think Stephen and George could choose another way to describe this experience [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sind schon erschlagend). Jenny Mackness hat das treffend auf den Punkt gebracht mit der Frage Is this a course or something else?: Overall comment: I think Stephen and George could choose another way to describe this experience [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jennymackness</title>
		<link>http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/is-this-a-course-or-something-else/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>jennymackness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Frances - yes I agree that it helps to make cultural perspectives explicit - particularly when online. I should imagine that some cultures are finding some of the Moodle forum discussions difficult to relate to if not disturbing.

I completely agree that freedom of speech brings with it responsibility and I think it&#039;s worth remembering that a few ill-chosen words can do a lot more damage than &#039;sticks and stones&#039;.

It&#039;s interesting that you raise the importance of &#039;trust&#039; as this is currently being discussed in a community I am working with, where we are thinking about the key principles we need to consider when launching a community. Trust comes very high on the list.

Many thanks for the link. It&#039;s very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Frances &#8211; yes I agree that it helps to make cultural perspectives explicit &#8211; particularly when online. I should imagine that some cultures are finding some of the Moodle forum discussions difficult to relate to if not disturbing.</p>
<p>I completely agree that freedom of speech brings with it responsibility and I think it&#8217;s worth remembering that a few ill-chosen words can do a lot more damage than &#8217;sticks and stones&#8217;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that you raise the importance of &#8216;trust&#8217; as this is currently being discussed in a community I am working with, where we are thinking about the key principles we need to consider when launching a community. Trust comes very high on the list.</p>
<p>Many thanks for the link. It&#8217;s very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Jenny.  Thanks for mentioning my comments on the international perspective.  
One way to encourage broad participation is to make difference in culture the focus of threads and posts - e.g. explicitly share our experiences, interpretations from different cultural perspectives. However that requires trust - a commodity that may be in short supply on the forums - and perhaps a different communication ethic from that which is, paradoxically, shared by many opponents.  My own view, that I have expressed on the forums, is that with freedon of speech comes responsibility. My suspicion is that the &#039;anything goes&#039; &#039;truth will out&#039; attitude is a barrier to those who favour dialogue rather than bitter conflict.
Here is a link to a post that may help you with RSS 
http://www.edu.salford.ac.uk/blogs/blbe/2008/10/07/rss-can-help-you-check-blogs-and-other-dynamic-web-sites-easily/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Jenny.  Thanks for mentioning my comments on the international perspective.<br />
One way to encourage broad participation is to make difference in culture the focus of threads and posts &#8211; e.g. explicitly share our experiences, interpretations from different cultural perspectives. However that requires trust &#8211; a commodity that may be in short supply on the forums &#8211; and perhaps a different communication ethic from that which is, paradoxically, shared by many opponents.  My own view, that I have expressed on the forums, is that with freedon of speech comes responsibility. My suspicion is that the &#8216;anything goes&#8217; &#8216;truth will out&#8217; attitude is a barrier to those who favour dialogue rather than bitter conflict.<br />
Here is a link to a post that may help you with RSS<br />
<a href="http://www.edu.salford.ac.uk/blogs/blbe/2008/10/07/rss-can-help-you-check-blogs-and-other-dynamic-web-sites-easily/" rel="nofollow">http://www.edu.salford.ac.uk/blogs/blbe/2008/10/07/rss-can-help-you-check-blogs-and-other-dynamic-web-sites-easily/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Connected?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Connected?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] until last week, so apologies to Stephen and George for suggesting that a list was needed in my &#8216;Is this a course or something else post?&#8217; .  (As an aside, I have always found it interesting in my own online teaching, that course [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] until last week, so apologies to Stephen and George for suggesting that a list was needed in my &#8216;Is this a course or something else post?&#8217; .  (As an aside, I have always found it interesting in my own online teaching, that course [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jennymackness</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennymackness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jorge - Thanks for your comment. 

I agree - a metacourse in which we observe ourselves doing it as a connectivism learning practice describes it really well. It&#039;s a new type of course, which requires new learning behaviours and understanding new norms. 

What I have been wondering is who helps the new learner to do this, since in Stephen&#039;s words this course is not instructor led. I&#039;m trying to clarify in my own mind what the role of the teacher is in this model of teaching and learning and what implications this has for learners. 

Jenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jorge &#8211; Thanks for your comment. </p>
<p>I agree &#8211; a metacourse in which we observe ourselves doing it as a connectivism learning practice describes it really well. It&#8217;s a new type of course, which requires new learning behaviours and understanding new norms. </p>
<p>What I have been wondering is who helps the new learner to do this, since in Stephen&#8217;s words this course is not instructor led. I&#8217;m trying to clarify in my own mind what the role of the teacher is in this model of teaching and learning and what implications this has for learners. </p>
<p>Jenny</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge Crom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorge Crom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny

For me it is a course and a metacourse. This mean that at we practice the course we observe ourselves in doing it as a connectivism learning practice. 

Like your ideas.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny</p>
<p>For me it is a course and a metacourse. This mean that at we practice the course we observe ourselves in doing it as a connectivism learning practice. </p>
<p>Like your ideas.</p>
<p>Jorge</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Lyons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny

I missed the second Elluminate session this week. Your post is an excellent aide memoir for a non participant. 

I was interested to read that you posted your ideas to your blog shortly after the session. Donal Schon differentiated between reflection in action and reflection on action. Your post combines both reflections admirably.

I have posted a comment on Stephen&#039;s post about Dave Cormier&#039;s post and on Dave&#039;s post too.

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny</p>
<p>I missed the second Elluminate session this week. Your post is an excellent aide memoir for a non participant. </p>
<p>I was interested to read that you posted your ideas to your blog shortly after the session. Donal Schon differentiated between reflection in action and reflection on action. Your post combines both reflections admirably.</p>
<p>I have posted a comment on Stephen&#8217;s post about Dave Cormier&#8217;s post and on Dave&#8217;s post too.</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: jennymackness</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennymackness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maru

Thanks for your comment. I agree that we seem to be living this connectivism experiment - you have expressed this so well. 

I don&#039;t know how you have time to participate in all those groups and activities. I&#039;m struggling to keep up with the limited number of connections I have - and like you, I haven&#039;t fully understood the concepts yet.


Thanks again Maru for making contact.

Jenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maru</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. I agree that we seem to be living this connectivism experiment &#8211; you have expressed this so well. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how you have time to participate in all those groups and activities. I&#8217;m struggling to keep up with the limited number of connections I have &#8211; and like you, I haven&#8217;t fully understood the concepts yet.</p>
<p>Thanks again Maru for making contact.</p>
<p>Jenny</p>
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		<title>By: mmvcentro</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jenny!

I am sorry I did not find you before, I have similar views.
This is entirely a personal value judgement.

On the live session I said that they should have posted a warning in the description of the &quot;course&quot;.  I have read the description many times trying to find out what I missed, what I left out, what led me to believe that it was going to be a course to the extent that I payed for it.  Nope.  I printed the wiki pages and showed them to others asking them:  Do you think this is a course?  All of them, with no exception, believed it was a very interesting and structured course,  as I did.

Nevertheless, I am meeting new people, I have expanded my network, I have found a way to connect.  I still don&#039;t have the concepts clear but that is irrelevant, I am navigating through the network and that is learning.  I go to the SL meetings, I attend every live session, I tweet, I read papers, blogs and post in mine, I participate in some Moodle threads, I am in the FB group, I started the YH group,  I look at Pageflakes and of course read the Daily which is the only rope I see.  When I joined the course I wanted to learn about Connectivism, it seems that I am living it, that&#039;s what this experiment is about.  Maybe in eight weeks I will appreciate what I am learning and all this effort will acquire value.

I see that if you don&#039;t&#039; tweet or participate as much as I do, it does not make a difference at this point.  Your post expresses very well where &quot;I&quot; am standing regardless the connections I am apparently making.  It doesn&#039;t matter either how much I read, I do not get the point, knowledge is not growing in me yet.   Maybe my context is not mature, maybe knowledge is being stored in my body or my network and it will bloom later.  I hope.

Love:  Maru</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jenny!</p>
<p>I am sorry I did not find you before, I have similar views.<br />
This is entirely a personal value judgement.</p>
<p>On the live session I said that they should have posted a warning in the description of the &#8220;course&#8221;.  I have read the description many times trying to find out what I missed, what I left out, what led me to believe that it was going to be a course to the extent that I payed for it.  Nope.  I printed the wiki pages and showed them to others asking them:  Do you think this is a course?  All of them, with no exception, believed it was a very interesting and structured course,  as I did.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I am meeting new people, I have expanded my network, I have found a way to connect.  I still don&#8217;t have the concepts clear but that is irrelevant, I am navigating through the network and that is learning.  I go to the SL meetings, I attend every live session, I tweet, I read papers, blogs and post in mine, I participate in some Moodle threads, I am in the FB group, I started the YH group,  I look at Pageflakes and of course read the Daily which is the only rope I see.  When I joined the course I wanted to learn about Connectivism, it seems that I am living it, that&#8217;s what this experiment is about.  Maybe in eight weeks I will appreciate what I am learning and all this effort will acquire value.</p>
<p>I see that if you don&#8217;t&#8217; tweet or participate as much as I do, it does not make a difference at this point.  Your post expresses very well where &#8220;I&#8221; am standing regardless the connections I am apparently making.  It doesn&#8217;t matter either how much I read, I do not get the point, knowledge is not growing in me yet.   Maybe my context is not mature, maybe knowledge is being stored in my body or my network and it will bloom later.  I hope.</p>
<p>Love:  Maru</p>
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