Comments on: The Future of Social Networking http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/ Connectivism & Connective Knowledge Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:59:01 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: CCK08 continues i 2009 « Mariis Mills - exploring Dynamic Didactic Design http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/#comment-262 CCK08 continues i 2009 « Mariis Mills - exploring Dynamic Didactic Design Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:45:37 +0000 http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/?p=273#comment-262 [...] another partcipants’ blogpost, Jenny Mackness, I found this video created by three other participants, Viplav Baxi, Carlos [...] [...] another partcipants’ blogpost, Jenny Mackness, I found this video created by three other participants, Viplav Baxi, Carlos [...]

]]> By: Heli http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/#comment-223 Heli Thu, 25 Dec 2008 13:47:01 +0000 http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/?p=273#comment-223 Merry Christmas to you Jenny! I am happy I opened your blog first when I begun my Christman holiday studies. I hadn't seen Maru's and others final works .. it was fine, and many others. Nice to see that discussion will continue. I found you in the end of our course but now I agree with your thoughts very very much. .. I will follow your blog in the future I am sure about it.. Heli Merry Christmas to you Jenny!

I am happy I opened your blog first when I begun my Christman holiday studies. I hadn’t seen Maru’s and others final works .. it was fine, and many others.
Nice to see that discussion will continue.

I found you in the end of our course but now I agree with your thoughts very very much. .. I will follow your blog in the future I am sure about it..
Heli

]]> By: Sui Fai John Mak http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/#comment-218 Sui Fai John Mak Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:48:09 +0000 http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/?p=273#comment-218 Jenny, Isn't it wonderful to see so many others' response to your stimulating post? Connect or not? That's an interesting question. As a professional educator (or teacher), how would you decide? Before I engage with this networking concept, I have never thought of the importance of openness, diversity, autonomy and connectedness in networks. And I often doubted why people have to connect if they are just looking for information. A typical saying is:"Why blogging if there are no response?" As you mentioned, without reciprocity - say in blogs, forum, what's the difference between reading a research article, a book or a piece of news? I thought I may be "talking" too much in a blog, lol, and not listening, and that may be a problem in such monotone "communication". In other cases, I may be just an aggregator and sharing information with others, so not much responses may be expected. Another problem lies with the "show off, indulging or selling" business type of bloggers that could be perceived by other bloggers or visitors as just "selling" the concept to the world. That is cool!. But that no one would like to respond to them. I have got more than 180 spams, most of them filled with weired, dirty or wicked stuffs. A further problem that has been mentioned by Ailsa is the connection that is with a non-human appliance (using an artefact), where one may think, well, I am talking to a machine only, why getting emotional. But instead, there may a person behind that appliance, that's could a BIG SURPRISE to us. So it's a tricky situation. Jenny, it's so nice connecting with you, that I always find something different to learn. Merry Christmas John Jenny,
Isn’t it wonderful to see so many others’ response to your stimulating post?
Connect or not? That’s an interesting question. As a professional educator (or teacher), how would you decide? Before I engage with this networking concept, I have never thought of the importance of openness, diversity, autonomy and connectedness in networks. And I often doubted why people have to connect if they are just looking for information.
A typical saying is:”Why blogging if there are no response?” As you mentioned, without reciprocity – say in blogs, forum, what’s the difference between reading a research article, a book or a piece of news?
I thought I may be “talking” too much in a blog, lol, and not listening, and that may be a problem in such monotone “communication”. In other cases, I may be just an aggregator and sharing information with others, so not much responses may be expected.

Another problem lies with the “show off, indulging or selling” business type of bloggers that could be perceived by other bloggers or visitors as just “selling” the concept to the world. That is cool!. But that no one would like to respond to them. I have got more than 180 spams, most of them filled with weired, dirty or wicked stuffs.
A further problem that has been mentioned by Ailsa is the connection that is with a non-human appliance (using an artefact), where one may think, well, I am talking to a machine only, why getting emotional. But instead, there may a person behind that appliance, that’s could a BIG SURPRISE to us. So it’s a tricky situation.

Jenny, it’s so nice connecting with you, that I always find something different to learn.
Merry Christmas
John

]]> By: ailsa http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/#comment-216 ailsa Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:51:36 +0000 http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/?p=273#comment-216 housework sux :( But I'm glad you blog for the connectivism question for me is an ANT one. What keeps relationships stable or changing, what technology adds or detracts. Seems to boil down to it must be working or people wouldnt be using it...so how it works and whats its influence. This type of question resonated for me as I use what works. I use ATM machines in preference to bank tellers, I like to choose when I relate, sometimes i just dont want to engage to the level that might otherwise be required, or to front up to someone when told there's no money in the account... seems to fit in with having discretion to be engaged, and fully or not. Tis a question that borders on my own studies, what possible depth can be achieved in use of sms text for counselling...but the demands there so it fulfills some purpose, how then to do it better... For teaching and learning, whats the affordances that these various technologies offer to disparate peoples... Same for blogging... Housework however is only pleasing in the eye of the beholder. housework sux :(
But I’m glad you blog for the connectivism question for me is an ANT one. What keeps relationships stable or changing, what technology adds or detracts. Seems to boil down to it must be working or people wouldnt be using it…so how it works and whats its influence. This type of question resonated for me as I use what works. I use ATM machines in preference to bank tellers, I like to choose when I relate, sometimes i just dont want to engage to the level that might otherwise be required, or to front up to someone when told there’s no money in the account… seems to fit in with having discretion to be engaged, and fully or not. Tis a question that borders on my own studies, what possible depth can be achieved in use of sms text for counselling…but the demands there so it fulfills some purpose, how then to do it better…
For teaching and learning, whats the affordances that these various technologies offer to disparate peoples…
Same for blogging…
Housework however is only pleasing in the eye of the beholder.

]]> By: x28’s new Blog » Blog Archive » Daily or Bulky? http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/#comment-214 x28’s new Blog » Blog Archive » Daily or Bulky? Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:27:31 +0000 http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/?p=273#comment-214 [...] by Jenny’s amazement about daily completions, I thought about my own relationship with regular habits, and [...] [...] by Jenny’s amazement about daily completions, I thought about my own relationship with regular habits, and [...]

]]> By: Keith Lyons http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/#comment-213 Keith Lyons Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:35:57 +0000 http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/?p=273#comment-213 Hi Jenny Will you be sharing the paper when you have completed it? I am delighted you chose writing over housework! Keith Hi Jenny

Will you be sharing the paper when you have completed it?

I am delighted you chose writing over housework!

Keith

]]> By: Carmen Tschofen http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/#comment-212 Carmen Tschofen Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:51:45 +0000 http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/?p=273#comment-212 Hi Jenny, I can see we're both still wrestling with what seems to be (for me, at least) the mass of contradictions surrounding openness, diversity, and community. I am very appreciative of the independence afforded in the network concept, and find it especially important as I too often see groups tend toward shallow, discriminatory, and innovation-less processes and analyses. On the other hand, as I talk to those who are engaged in community building, conflict management and other healthy social processes, it's also very clear that being able to establish more intimate (for lack of a better word) venues of communication where there is a mutual trust that you can puzzle stuff out without being required to defend every word to a broader audience is crucial to relationships of all sorts, even though there can also be negative implications of closed door initiatives. I've also wondered if we're just now getting through the early adopter, Wild West era of social-network-everything to a more selective era. Then again, a lot of people haven't even entered the arena yet, so maybe this is a premature assessment. Glad you're still blogging!;-) Carmen Hi Jenny,
I can see we’re both still wrestling with what seems to be (for me, at least) the mass of contradictions surrounding openness, diversity, and community. I am very appreciative of the independence afforded in the network concept, and find it especially important as I too often see groups tend toward shallow, discriminatory, and innovation-less processes and analyses. On the other hand, as I talk to those who are engaged in community building, conflict management and other healthy social processes, it’s also very clear that being able to establish more intimate (for lack of a better word) venues of communication where there is a mutual trust that you can puzzle stuff out without being required to defend every word to a broader audience is crucial to relationships of all sorts, even though there can also be negative implications of closed door initiatives. I’ve also wondered if we’re just now getting through the early adopter, Wild West era of social-network-everything to a more selective era. Then again, a lot of people haven’t even entered the arena yet, so maybe this is a premature assessment.
Glad you’re still blogging!;-)
Carmen

]]> By: jennymackness http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/#comment-211 jennymackness Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:18:11 +0000 http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/?p=273#comment-211 Thank you Matthias and Jon for your quick responses to my blog question. It's great to locate your presentation Jon as it is certainly worth keeping and remembering. Not self-centred at all to point it out for me. More something to be proud of! Thanks also to John. The thought that I could help you with blogging John made me smile. I think you've got it well and truly cracked :-) Viplav thank you for your interesting post putting an alternative perspective, which is always so useful. I can see that it was probably never the intention that Facebook or Twitter would be learning networks and that they have a different purpose from communities of practice. I am thinking about these two sentences that you have written: <i>Connectivism demands open-ness, autonomy and diversity in the network, as a fundamental pillar for learning. The more we enclose it in spaces such as CoPs, the more we restrict open-ness, autonomy and diversity. </i> This is an interesting perspective and one I will think about more, as I'm not sure that a closed space or bounded space such as you find in a CoP (and I'm still thinking about whether a CoP is a closed space) necessarily restricts openness, autonomy and diversity. I think I see all three within CoPs, but I also see commitment, reciprocity and mutual responsibility and for me these are important for learning. I think I might come back to this in another post. Thank you Viplav for getting my brain cells moving! Jenny Thank you Matthias and Jon for your quick responses to my blog question. It’s great to locate your presentation Jon as it is certainly worth keeping and remembering. Not self-centred at all to point it out for me. More something to be proud of!

Thanks also to John. The thought that I could help you with blogging John made me smile. I think you’ve got it well and truly cracked :-)

Viplav thank you for your interesting post putting an alternative perspective, which is always so useful. I can see that it was probably never the intention that Facebook or Twitter would be learning networks and that they have a different purpose from communities of practice. I am thinking about these two sentences that you have written:

Connectivism demands open-ness, autonomy and diversity in the network, as a fundamental pillar for learning. The more we enclose it in spaces such as CoPs, the more we restrict open-ness, autonomy and diversity.

This is an interesting perspective and one I will think about more, as I’m not sure that a closed space or bounded space such as you find in a CoP (and I’m still thinking about whether a CoP is a closed space) necessarily restricts openness, autonomy and diversity. I think I see all three within CoPs, but I also see commitment, reciprocity and mutual responsibility and for me these are important for learning.

I think I might come back to this in another post. Thank you Viplav for getting my brain cells moving!

Jenny

]]> By: suifaijohnmak http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/#comment-210 suifaijohnmak Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:46:56 +0000 http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/?p=273#comment-210 Hi Jenny, Great to learn your views on Facebook and the project by Maru, Viplav and Carlos. I have responded to your post on my blog. I am always keen to learn from you, in particular on the research areas. Again, thanks for helping me in the initial design of the blog. I am still blogging along... just couldn't stop it. It's just interesting. John Hi Jenny,
Great to learn your views on Facebook and the project by Maru, Viplav and Carlos. I have responded to your post on my blog.
I am always keen to learn from you, in particular on the research areas.
Again, thanks for helping me in the initial design of the blog.
I am still blogging along… just couldn’t stop it. It’s just interesting.
John

]]> By: Jon K. http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/273/#comment-209 Jon K. Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:39:21 +0000 http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/?p=273#comment-209 Also, for what it's worth - online interaction rarely satisfies my social needs - so social networking is only for my friends who are not within arm's reach so to speak. I don't like twitter because I am traditionally more oriented towards depth rather than superficial. Also, for what it’s worth – online interaction rarely satisfies my social needs – so social networking is only for my friends who are not within arm’s reach so to speak. I don’t like twitter because I am traditionally more oriented towards depth rather than superficial.

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